tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post2903669211383499928..comments2023-11-30T10:11:42.899+01:00Comments on Eclipse and Java Blog by Michael Scharf: Imagine the eclipse IDE would cost $300...Michael Scharfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16708708879318235495noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-91456235089506095812015-01-20T08:57:54.312+01:002015-01-20T08:57:54.312+01:00thought provoking idea, but im used to Eclipse bei...thought provoking idea, but im used to Eclipse being freely availableselhttp://grails.asia/grails-forum-applicationnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-92000945109082439152013-11-25T10:05:02.534+01:002013-11-25T10:05:02.534+01:00nice blog... Thanks for sharingnice blog... Thanks for sharingRavihttp://scrumlink.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-12336037817224850422013-10-21T21:01:26.593+02:002013-10-21T21:01:26.593+02:00Hmm interesting idea! In fact more and more people...Hmm interesting idea! In fact more and more people are switching to use commercial intellij idea instead of eclipse.<br /><br />Anyway nice blog here. Have also look at my here:<br /><a href="http://devmain.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://devmain.blogspot.com</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00601577357384212529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-65768679602093978962013-10-16T16:44:18.616+02:002013-10-16T16:44:18.616+02:00I don't think it will work. An optional fee i...I don't think it will work. An optional fee is still a donation when you get down to it. The people that simply do not wish to pay will figure out quickly which response gets them the software for nothing. You might get a small increase in donations by making the donation mechanism clearer, but you are really only going to get donations from people that have strong beliefs that they should do so.Chris Recoskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837602715087138014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-24183173937750999462013-10-14T17:20:09.413+02:002013-10-14T17:20:09.413+02:00I would agree with expectation of everybody pay so...I would agree with expectation of everybody pay something to use Eclipse, especially companies.<br /><br />May be to start with asking to pay from companies which are medium to large (let's say 100mil and above) still not as a license but mandatory donation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-25238081695809649462013-10-14T08:18:30.097+02:002013-10-14T08:18:30.097+02:00@Jilles: As a contributor on some Eclipse projects...@Jilles: As a contributor on some Eclipse projects and a daily GitHub user, I wouldn't see the move to GitHub as an improvement. The infrastructure at Eclipse.org is much more reliable than GitHub and allows to set up some processes that match the needs of most projects @Eclipse.org.<br />If you want it to change that, it's actually quite simple: become a contributor on a project, and start discussing about moving it to GitHub on its mailing-list. This is allowed by the Foundation, and if you succeed to convince other contributors, you'll be able to move the project to GitHub.<br />But just give a try to Eclipse infrastructure first, and you'll understand why GitHub is not necessarily a better place to do collaborative development.<br /><br />About Eclipse not being the best Java IDE any more, it looks like this is an ongoing 3-years old discussion. The fact is that the amount of people developing the Java IDE has been decreasing, so that less innovation has happened. But some things have changes (Gerrit, CBI...) so we can see some positive metrics on the Platform project which should lead to some innovation.<br />If you have ideas of nice features to put in Java IDE, please report them via Bugzilla. That's the best way to start making things happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-81396810993726379892013-10-14T07:26:02.416+02:002013-10-14T07:26:02.416+02:00Purchasing software is also difficult in some orga...Purchasing software is also difficult in some organisations. Anyone who will have the single dollar to pay will then consider switching to NetBeans. Such licensing would introduce some complexity that would also make some big companies worried and stop them from enforcing usage of Eclipse. Not sure how loosing users is what we want.<br />For people who develop extensions on top of Eclipse, it's totally not acceptable to see an initiative which has risks to reduce the amount of potential users/customers.<br /><br />Out of the Open-Source, what makes people use Eclipse is because it's free and because it has many plugins. What makes people develop plugins for Eclipse is because it's free to do so, and it is widely distributed.<br />Asking money for Eclipse IDE seems very dangerous for the whole eco-system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-73781067034689336932013-10-12T13:54:41.488+02:002013-10-12T13:54:41.488+02:00I think the notion of paying a big foundation that...I think the notion of paying a big foundation that is backed by some of the richest IT companies in the world is more than a little bit obscene. Especially, considering most of them actually ship commercial distributions of eclipse to their customers. I could make the case for backing struggling, independent developers and supporting them running the infrastructure but not the likes of IBM, Oracle, etc.<br /><br />As for the Eclipse foundation and its infrastructure, I think it is actually a liability for ongoing OSS development. Just move the projects to Github, dismantle the infrastructure, open up, and focus on development. The main reason this infrastructure exists is because big IT companies like it that way. Legal and control of the roadmap are why it exists, not fostering OSS development.<br /><br />Maybe also get rid of the monolithic yearly releases of everything and the kitchen sink. That's another thing that matters a lot to the big stakeholders in the foundation but less to its users. I'd love more frequent releases of e.g. the Java developer tooling (which is pretty much the only thing I use anyway) but I'd be hard pressed to tell apart the 2009 version of that from the 2013 version because the eclipse foundation seems to be focused 100% on adding layers of enterprise and UML crap that I couldn't care less about. It seems only minor feature development happens on the parts of eclipse I actually do use. The last release was particularly disappointing. I used it for about a week when I realized that I could switch back to the old version and wouldn't be able to tell the difference at all. The release notes were all meh, whatever, and who cares to me. There's literally not a single new feature in there that matters to me and that I noticed was different or improved. There sure is a lot of stuff in there that I don't need or use. That looks like a year of stagnation to me, not a year of active development followed by a big release. When did Eclipse stop being about producing the best Java IDE?Jilleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09338320878791398261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-83918035419971589732013-10-12T02:02:23.144+02:002013-10-12T02:02:23.144+02:00Some good points, but I don't think trial vers...Some good points, but I don't think trial versions and licensing would be a good option. I like the list of discount reasons. Why not simply have users select from that kind of list when downloading, and redirect either to the standard download for the 100% discount options, or to a form filled with the selected price, using the Friends of Eclipse infrastructure. That would basically make donating the default.Fabian Steeghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02384590154207147547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-22624560257621909742013-10-11T21:22:02.431+02:002013-10-11T21:22:02.431+02:00I would pay $300 to not use Eclipse. In concept I ...I would pay $300 to not use Eclipse. In concept I love it, but in real world native development, it's an impediment. tednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-70173365260884056552013-10-11T20:02:33.347+02:002013-10-11T20:02:33.347+02:00:-) sure :-) sure Michael Scharfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16708708879318235495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17681521.post-40156362804240559452013-10-11T19:47:04.252+02:002013-10-11T19:47:04.252+02:00Well, if this goes live, I hope that the licensing...Well, if this goes live, I hope that the licensing system used to enforce the trials will be EPL licensed, such that It can be commercially used, this would already cover more than the amount of 300 paid for the IDE ... ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10114332715676745658noreply@blogger.com